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Question: What is Meditation?
Kiranji: See, the
meditation is the most misunderstood concept. When we
ask this question, “What is meditation?” the question
itself, when somebody asks, is coming from some answers
that they already have. Because they have heard about
many kinds of meditations, like so many masters are
asking people to do different kinds of meditations,
different kinds of meditation’s techniques, like Maharashi Mahesh Yogi, teaches Transcendental
Meditation ( T M ), Osho taught Dynamic Meditation,
Kundalini Meditation, Nadabrahma Meditation and there
are lots of meditations, in our ancient practices of
meditation, they have 108 techniques of meditation.
So, people are asking from that understanding or,
misunderstanding, the word meditation as a technique, as
something to do. And also the masters are also telling
people to do something as a meditation. So, that is why
I am saying that this is the most misunderstood word or
concept. Doing meditation as a technique, is one
thing and, meditation as a real sense, is another thing.
They have a different understanding. When we use this
word meditation, meditation in a real meaning is a
meditative state, which is our nature state.
That, which is our natural state cannot be brought
through any technique or any effort, or anything that
you do. It is there already, but it has been hidden, or
it has been suppressed because of something, and that
something is the mind. When there is a mind, we loose
this meditative state, that natural state that we have.
What is this natural state inside? It is the harmony of
the life force, which is flowing through us.
When it is in harmony with the life force, which is also
flowing around us, when there is a harmony between the
inside and the outside of the same life force, when it
becomes one, when the tuning happens, that oneness
state, when it happens, not through any doing, when it
happens, when you are not doing to bring it about, but
when you are relaxed, it happens. When it happens,
you are already into the meditative state, the state of
oneness, within and without. So, that state of oneness
is a meditative state, which is our natural state.
What we understand as a meditation, or what we
misunderstand as a meditation, is something that we can
bring this oneness or this natural state, through some
technique or through some effort. And all the masters in
the past and in the present, have tried to find out some
technique or some method, where they think that, by
doing these techniques, we will come to that state,
which is our natural state, which is our meditative
state. Now, the problem is when we are doing something,
the doer is the mind, and the oneness state happens when
there is no mind, when there is no doer, when there is
no effort, when there is no doing.
So, the state of non-doing – and I am not referring to
any lazy state – the state of non-doing means the state
without a doer, a state without a mind. When it happens,
then this natural state awakens by itself, it happens by
itself. That is why in Zen there is a saying that, sit
silently, doing nothing, the spring comes and the grass
grows by itself. By itself means, without any effort and
without doing anything, what means that there is no
doer. So, they say sit silently and do nothing.
Now this also is misunderstood as if you are trying to
do nothing. So, even when you are trying to do nothing,
you are doing something. How does we become free from
doing? You have to really understand what creates the
doing, what creates the mind. If you understand this
what creates the doing, or what creates the doer, which
is the mind, then you will understand how you can make
this state, this meditative state, this state of
oneness, this state of non-mind, happen. Why do you do
something? You tell me. If you really look into this
question, why do we do something? Somewhere you are
doing it with a purpose. You create a purpose.
Question: But if I don’t do
anything, it becomes some…
Kiranji: That is what we call
laziness. Our language, when we say that we don’t do
anything, means that we are lazy. So, our language says
that, when we are not into doing, we are lazy. But even
when we are lazy we are doing something.
Question: So, in a
way, all that we know is one thing: doing?
Kiranji: Doing.
Question: So, without
doing, we cannot find anything.
Kiranji: That mind cannot
understand the language of non-doing, or doing without a
doer, without a purpose. So, when you are in a state
where you have no purpose behind any action, that is
called happening. It is not called doing. Happening
also, outwardly it looks like a doing. Like, you are
breathing and breathing is not a doing. It is just
happening. But still it is an action.
So, you are looking, you are listening, smelling,
touching, all these sensations that is happening, if we
create a purpose, like, when you are looking at me, and
there is no purpose. You are just looking. Just looking,
Zazen. Just looking means, without a purpose. So, while
you are looking without a purpose, it is a state of
oneness, which we call a state of meditation. There is
no mind there. But, if you create the purpose that you
want to look, if you create this desire, this purpose,
then your looking becomes an action from the mind, from
the doer, then you are doing an acting of looking.
Can you look with a desire to look? Then you create a
future point. When you create a desire that, “you want
to look”, then you create a future point, a purpose.
Purpose is always into the future. Is something that you
want to, from here to there. When you create a future
point, what is happening is that, you miss the present.
You miss this moment, which is here and now.
If you create a purpose you create a future. So, your
whole focus is into the future. Your focus is not into
the here and now, but into the future point. So, you
miss the here and now. And when you are here and now,
you are into that state of oneness. When you create a
desire, when you create a purpose, when you create a
future point, to reach, to achieve, to become, to
understand, whatever reason you create a future point, a
desire, something that you want, then, at that point, at
creating the future point, the mind is born, the doer is
born.
And when the doer is born, what happens is that you miss
the connection with the now. So then, your action will
be a concentration, and not a meditation. The mind can
concentrate at one focus point in the future. This
concentration is a mental action. But meditation is not
any mental action. Meditation is when there is no mental
action, when there is no concentration focused to any
future point, when you are totally relaxed, which I call
into the state of total acceptance. That state is the
state of meditation.
Now, why people like to do meditations? The question is
this, because there are so many people going to so many
communes, so many ashrams, and so many meditation camps,
where they follow certain techniques of meditation. And
people like it. Why do people like the meditation
techniques? As I said before, doing meditation has also
its own effect. What is that effect? That effect is a
temporary freedom from the problem, the mental problem,
which you are suffering from.
People are going go meditation camps, with a purpose to
be free from the stress, from the tension, from the
unhappiness state, or from the suffering state. That is
the mental state. People are trying to find out an
answer, a solution, to get free from these problems.
And, the other masters, or the masters who are
conducting meditation camps, are promising the
liberation, the freedom from your mental problems.
That is why people go with the hope, because, as it is
with the mind they are having so much of stress, so much
of tension, so much of suffering and pain. And it is so
much, that they want some solution that can make them
free.
People like to go to these camps because doing
meditation definitely gives them a temporary relief, for
a short time relief. And relief means the freedom. So,
anything that gives a temporary relief, we call it a
painkiller, or a tranquilizer. When you have a body
pain, when you have a headache, when you have some fever
or some body problem, when you go to a doctor, he gives
you a painkiller or a tranquilizer, for immediate
relief for your immediate problem. What is your
immediate problem? Is the headache, is the fever, your
immediate problem is your body ache.
So, he has to give you some medicine, to relieve you
from the immediate problem. So, that is why he gives you
some painkiller, or some tranquilizer. But at the same
time, he wants to know what is the cause of the
headache, what is the cause of your fever, what is the
cause of your body ache, your stomachache. He wants to
know and he prescribes you to go through some kinds of
tests, like blood test, urine test, everything. He
prescribes you.
When you go through these tests, the doctor comes to
know what is the cause of this problem.
So, the further step should be to understand the cause
of this problem. So, the further meditation, or the
further medicine, which the doctor prescribes, is to
make you free from the cause of these immediate
problems. So, the first treatment is to relief you from
the immediate pain, immediate problem, which is a
painkiller or a tranquilizer, or some purgative for
cleansing your stomach. But the next step, by
understanding the cause, he gives you the medicine, or
makes you free from the cause of the problem.
Then he may suggest some surgery; he may suggest some
further tests, or anything that goes on. If we are
dealing with these psychological problems, mental
problems, the doing meditations, or the meditations
techniques, works as a painkiller, as a tranquilizer or
a purgative, to relieve you from the immediate pain.
That is OK and up to this point, I am not against it. But,
who understand the cause of this? Why I am in stress?
Why I have tension? Why I am suffering? One has to
understand this. If I go on doing meditation techniques
everyday, I am suppressing my cause.
If you are not treating the cause, the cause of your
suffering, the cause of your stress, the cause of your
pain, psychological pain, if you are not treating the
cause, then, what happens is that, everyday you have to
take this painkiller. So, you do it in the morning, in
the evening, and during the daytime you accumulate
stress again, so you have to do next morning again. So,
if you are doing dynamic, you are doing a purgative
meditation, which is a catharsis.
So, you accumulate throughout the day, and you vomit out
in the morning, or you flush out in the morning. So,
again you accumulate during the day, and you have to do
again dynamic in the morning to vomit it out or to flush
it out. So, this becomes like an addiction. But you do
not understand the cause of the accumulation of this
stress. Why do I accumulate this stress? Why do I
accumulate these reactions, which are coming out as
suffering and pain? Why? If you try to understand this,
then this understanding will lead you to a state where
you don’t need to repeat this kind of meditation
everyday. And for the psychological disease, for the
mental disease, there is nothing that you can do,
because the cause is itself the doer.
So, if I am free from the doer, that is the mind, and
then I am free from this whole mind, which is suffering,
which is with pain, with tension and which is with the
stress. It is not the mind that is with the stress, it
is not that the mind has tension; it is not that the
mind has suffering and pain. The stress itself is the
mind. The fear itself is the mind. The anger itself is
the mind. The mind is not separated. Your state of fear
is the state of mind. The state of tension is the state
of the mind. That state of tension is the mind. That
state of stress is the mind.
Now, that mind that is itself the stress, wants to
treat, and wants to be free from the stress. Now, look
at the mind game. The same mind, which is stress,
tension, suffering and pain itself, the same mind, which
is fear, anger and the other things that we want to be
free from, wants to be free from itself. Now, do you
have another instrument to fight with the mind?
You don’t have, because the moment you try to do
something the mind is born. You create a future, you
create a purpose and the mind is born. When the mind is
born, the stress is born and the fear is born. They are
already there. We don’t have any other instrument, an
instrument that is not with the fear that is not with
the stress that is not with the tension.
Even if you are successful in suppressing them through
any technique, this mind that you are using as an
instrument, survives. So, you are not becoming free from
it, but you are temporarily becoming free from it,
through some technique, some doing, for a temporary
short time. That means that, all meditation techniques,
which you are doing to be free from stress, to be free
from the suffering, to be free from tension, or to be
free from the mind, only works temporarily.
And that I call the spiritual painkillers, spiritual
tranquilizers, which gives you a temporary relief, for
a short time. And that is our experience. People who are
doing meditations, they go for ten days meditation
camps, with a purpose to be free from the problems, they
do these ten days meditation camps, they feel good for
few days, because the effect of taking the spiritual
painkillers is there, they feel good for few days, or
maybe few weeks, they feel somehow they are free from
the problems.
But then, again it comes back. Ask any person who are
doing groups or meditations. I have been doing so many
years with meditations and it’s my experience and it’s
the experience of them all, of all my friends who have
shared with me. So, then we have to do it for the whole
life, as if as I have headache, body ache, if I take
painkillers, I can work all day, and in the night again
the headache, the body ache come, and again.
I have to take a painkiller, and then I suppress it. So,
if I want to remain in the healthy state, which is the
artificial healthy state created by the painkillers, at
the body level, I will have to take everyday a
painkiller, or, at the sleeping time, one sleeping
tablet. So, then I become addicted to that medicine. The
same thing happens with the spiritual people. They are
getting addicted to these meditations. It gives them a
relief to maintain their day-to-day relaxation, that’s
all. Like when you take a painkiller, you can work for
the whole day, but then, it comes back again.
Question: So, if this
doer that is the mind makes some problem, and when there
is no doer is the real understanding, how can I get
this…
Kiranji: That is where I am
coming to that, with the physical problem, if you have,
the body problem you have, the doctor have to ask you to
go through all the tests to find out the cause. In the
psychological problem, as it is not a real problem, it
is a reactionary problem. It is not a real problem, it
is an illusory problem. Then, what makes you free from
this illusion, what makes you free from this unreal
problem, is to understand something. The understanding
of the truth, of the reality, when you understand
something. And that understanding when it happens we
call it awakening, we call it enlightenment.
Question: Do you
means that this understanding happen? Not….
Kiranji: For this
understanding you can use your faculty, your brain, your
reasoning for understanding. The same brain, that
faculty to reasoning, to understand, you can use it.
Question: Actually
this use of the brain is a kind of doing something.
Kiranji: OK, does not
matter, but that doing takes you to that point where
that doer dissolves. The understanding, when you
understand something, even if you are using the
understanding through your faculty of reasoning,
understanding means clarity. Now, when you are blind,
you have to use the sticks to walk. But then when you
are treating your eyes, that treatment of your eyes is
also a kind of doing.
But when you are treating your eyes and you start seeing
through your own eyes, that doing of treating your eyes,
is no more required. Then it is a freedom from the
darkness, freedom from the blindness, freedom from that
whole dependency of doing or of treating the eyes. So,
that something that you are doing, if it makes you free
from the doing, that is called the understanding. So,
the exercise of reasoning or, trying to understand,
takes you to that point where it makes you free from the
whole exercise.
Question:You mean some kind
of intelligent…?
Kiranji: Intellectual,
intellectual exercise, which leads you and, at the same
time, it gives you a direction of coming back to your
natural state of tuning. Now, as I was saying before,
that, do we ask this question, “why I have tension?” We
have to use this brain. Why I am suffering? Why I am
miserable? Why I have this stress?
I have to understand. So, this cause of your problem,
you have to exercise your brain to understand the cause
of it. What is this understanding?
The understanding is to understand the cause of it. It
is not to find out the solution. We are using our
faculty of reasoning to find out how I can be free from
it. That is why you are trying to do meditations. So,
your are following through your reasoning for the
solution, for the answer. I am saying that, use the same
faculty to understand the problem. And not to find out
the answer.
The four ways of Buddha. Buddha says that life is
suffering. Your Buddhist religion says that, life is
suffering. And further, the next step is that, there is
a cause of suffering. The next step. So, it takes you
towards to find out the cause. When you understand the
cause, in understanding the cause you understand the
remedy also. So, he says that, there is a remedy for
suffering. This is the third step. And the fourth step
is that, there is a freedom from suffering.
So, if you follow Buddha’s four steps, four ways, life
is suffering, there is a cause of suffering, there is a
remedy for the suffering, and there is freedom from the
suffering. Now, where it leads you? He leads you towards
to find out the cause of suffering. Are we trying to
find out the cause of suffering? Or, are we trying to
find out the freedom from suffering through some
techniques, meditations or some doing?
Which way we are going? When you are doing meditation,
is it that you are trying to find out the cause of
suffering? Or, are you applying the solution to be free
from suffering? Without understanding the cause you are
straight jumping into the remedy. And that remedy,
without understanding the cause is not the remedy.
Question: I understand and
I know that. Actually I have tried so many of meditation
techniques, and I know it is useless. Really I am fed
up, but, when I try to understand the cause of
suffering, it is just darkness.
Kiranji: No. And this is why
you have to see the real master who knows it, who knows
the cause. That is why you have to approach the right
doctor, the right test, then, you will find the cause.
The right master knows how to give you the understanding
of the cause.
The real master, who has become free from it, who has
reached to that state of freedom. If you approach the
right master, then he will share his understanding and,
tell you how are you going to understand, he will tell
you the direction, because he is the one who understand
the cause of the suffering. Now, when you approach a
master he will suggest you the remedy for the cause of
your suffering. How you can be free from it. If you do
these meditations, if you do these groups, if you do
these therapies, if you do this, you will be free.
Question: No, I don’t
believe this anymore.
Kiranji: I am not saying
you, but all who are going. Then we are going in a wrong
way. Like, when I had a back pain, there were a lot of
people who came here, and they advised me some remedies.
You take this medicine and you will be free from it. You
take this and you will be free from it. Somebody advised
me some Ayurvedic medicine, somebody advised me some
Homeopathic medicine, somebody advised me Acupressure,
Acupuncture, all these remedies that they advised me,
they advised me the remedies without understanding the
cause of my back pain. One doctor whom I approached made
me understand the cause of my back pain.
When I understood the cause of my pain, through all
these tests, this MRI, X-rays and all this whatever it
is, than I came to know what exactly has gone wrong.
Then, after understanding what exactly was wrong, if the
doctor prescribes me the treatment, then I am totally
free from my pain. But without knowing that I was taking
Ayurvedic medicine and I was not cured. I was taking
Homeopathic medicine and I was not cured. I was taking
Acupressure, Acupuncture, everything I tried, and the
pain still remained.
It was just giving me a little temporary relief, but the
pain was coming back. Now, because of the understanding
of the cause of my pain, back pain, and the right
treatment, which the doctor knows and I followed him,
his advice, and I did all that was suggested by this
doctor, I am free from my pain.
In the same way, if you want to understand the cause of
your suffering, the cause of your tension, the cause of
your stress, and if you are following the right
direction, after understanding the cause, then, there is
a possibility of freedom. That is the state of freedom,
where the meditation happens. A state of oneness, a
state of total relaxation happens. But you have to go
through this. That is why Buddha says that there is
freedom from suffering. So, the freedom happens.
Now, the question is to understand the cause of your
stress. So, you have to drop everything that is offered
as a solution, as a treatment, and concentrate your
whole faculty of understanding, in understanding the
cause. Now you have to understand why you are in stress,
what is the cause of it. If you ask yourself, then you
have to understand the stress. What is stress, what is
tension, what is this pain, what is this suffering? You
have to understand.
Question: So, whenever I
try to understand this cause, always I find some not
spiritual things, it is just real things. I mean, if
somebody is interested in Tantra Meditation, he needs
some girlfriend.
Kiranji: But that is the
solution. You are still following the solution. When you
are following a Tantra technique, it is the solution.
But without understanding the cause of your problem, how
can you follow any technique? Because somebody is
telling you that, if you do Tantra meditation you will
be free from it.
By doing Tantra meditation, what do you want? My
question is, by doing Dynamic, what do you want? By
doing all the meditation techniques, TM or anything,
Vipassana or anything, what are you searching? What do
you want? You want freedom from your miserable state
inside; your tensed state inside, isn’t it? So, you are
using something without understanding the cause, which
will mislead you.
Question: Actually I cannot
feel exactly my suffering, my misery, I cannot have any
strong feeling. But I always feel, as you say, there is
something that is missing.
Kiran: That missing is the
understanding of the cause. You don’t know what is the
cause.
Question: So, for me there
is not suffering, misery, just some strange
feeling.
Kiranji: So, that is why we
go deep inside this question of the cause, how we will
find the cause, how do I understand the cause. So, if
again question that, what is stress, stress means a
pressure, a tension. So, you have to look where you are
tensed and where you have stress, at what point you are
in tension, in which point you are in tension.
If you ask yourself, the answer will be, you are in
tension where something does not happen the way you
want. That means, when life is not supporting you, the
way you want, then you have tension. You don’t want
anger, and suddenly the anger happens.
You don’t want fear, because you are thinking that if
you reach to that state of no fear, the fearless state,
no anger, angerless state, and freedom from all these
mental diseases. That is what you are trying to reach.
So, you want to reach to that state through the
techniques. You are trying, but again the fear comes,
again the anger comes, again the stress comes, again
this tension comes. So, which is the point where you are
in tension? You are in tension wherever something that
is happening against your wish, or the way it should
happen. Then, should not be anger and the anger happens
and you have tension.
You don’t want fear and the fear happens, and you have
tension. You don’t want something and it happens, and
you have tension. Now, why it happens like this? This is
again the question. Why it happens against my wish, or
why it happens against what I want, why? If you
question, then you will understand that, that happening,
which is happening, where I have no control, where I
have no freedom to control it, to possess it, to change
it, to alter it, or to hold it, if there is a pain
that is happening now, if the situation is creating
pain, the situation is creating the anger, creating the
guilt, creating any kind of mental reaction, that
situation is a happening, and that happening is where
you have no control over the happening.
You have no control over the happening. It happens. So,
you have no control over the happening, and at the same
time you have no control of these reactions that are
happening towards you. If the situation has happened,
and that situation has created a natural reaction, that
natural reaction is also a part of the happening. Now,
at these two points, do you have the freedom to change
it or to control it? Like, if I give you an example
that, if the mirror wants a reflection the way it wants
it, and the person who comes in front of the mirror, if
the person is smiling, the mirror likes it. But if other
person comes in front of the mirror, and he expresses
anger in his face, in front of the mirror, the
reflection is his angry face, and the mirror does not
like it.
The mirror wants every time the smiling face. The mirror
does not want to reflect the angry face. So, if the
mirror has a choice, about the reflection, does the
mirror have a choice? Does the mirror have a choice to
choose who comes in front of the mirror? Does the mirror
have a choice to choose the reflection the way it likes
it? No.
Then the reaction, which is a psychological reaction,
which comes to the mirror, is the tension. The mirror
will be in tension, in stress because, if the angry face
is reflected, the mirror does not want it.
It wants to reject it, because it is painful to reflect
an angry face. Now, suppose that the mirror has the
faculty to do something, can the mirror thrown away that
person? No. Can the mirror wipe out the reflection? No,
because the nature of the mirror itself is to reflect.
The nature of our consciousness is to react, is to have
the reaction. The reaction is a reflection on the
consciousness. It has no freedom to wipe out the
reaction, or the reflection. It is naturally happening.
The consciousness is like a mirror inside. And on this
mirror the reflections are happening, which is called
the reactions are happening.
And the reactions are happening according to the events
happening outside. Now, if you understand. Now, I am
coming back to the understanding. What we are trying to
understand is the cause. If you understand, the cause of
your tension and stress is your misunderstanding that
you have the freedom to change. What is the cause?
It is your misunderstanding, your ignorance that you
have freedom to control the events that are happening
outside, and your misunderstand, your ignorance, that
you can control or change the natural events, which are
naturally happening because of the happening outside.
If I abuse you, what will be the reaction there? Anger.
So, my abuse to you is something that is happening from
the outside, my anger on you is happening on the
outside, where you have no way to control me here. I am
an independent expression of life. You are also an
independent expression of life. So, we both are the
mirrors. We reflect each other. I reflect you and you
reflect me. If I am expressing an angry face or anger
towards you, abusing you, the reflection will be anger
there. It will be an angry face there. Now, if you have
no understanding, if you have ignorance, what are you
going to do? You will try to fight with me. That means
that you will try to control me.
Question: I know this
emotion. I know it automatically coming. You cannot do
anything.
Kiranji: Yes, that is what I
am saying that, understand that this happens
automatically. Now what you are misunderstanding is
that, it should be controlled. You have been told that
you have to control your emotions, that you have to
control your reactions.
Question: So, I will be
some pretender.
Kiranji: So, you are using
some technique to suppress it. That technique will give
you a temporary relief to suppress it. If you start
feeling the anger, the technique that somebody will say
for it is, to start chanting some mantra, or try to
think that you are not angry, you are not angry. Or some
technique with what you will try to suppress or to
forget your anger, your reaction. But how long?
It is for a temporary time. But that anger that is
created there, creates some reaction there, that is
going to settle by itself. It has its own momentum.
Anything that is happening outside as an event, is an
expression or vibration, and that vibration is affecting
you, which we call sensation, it has its own frequency.
So, that frequency will settle by itself. If you are
trying to suppress it, if you try to forget it, it will
not create any effect there. It is that somewhere you
are putting yourself in a state of hypnoses, where you
think that you are free, but actually you are not. You
are keeping that vibration or sensation, at the back,
and you are just trying to pretend that you are normal.
By putting yourself into some kind of hypnotic state,
where you try to show off. So, you carry somewhere some
false face, through suppression, by creating an
artificial hypnotic state. But inside you know that you
are still boiling with anger. It will subside by itself,
by its own momentum. Because of your ignorance, and
because of your misunderstanding, if you try to do
something to suppress or to forget, are you successful
in doing it?
Are you free from anger, or becoming temporarily free
from anger? You are temporarily becoming free from
anger. So, our understanding, our Sufi understanding
says that, understand this, understand that you have no
freedom, to change, or to control, or to possess, or to
hold it, through any means. Understand that you have to
accept it the way it is happening. That moment when you
feel that the person who is angry, it is his problem,
and the anger, which is reflected there, it is naturally
happening, you accept and stay into that state of
acceptance.
Question: I tried many
times, so when I was in anger, I thought…
Kiranji: So, now people
misunderstand and as you said, you try to do something,
and your effort to do is in the direction of…
Question: My try is a
suppression.
Kiranji: That is what I am
saying. So, wake up and tell yourself that this is fine.
Just wake up from inside and tell yourself, or your
understanding will tell you, that this is fine. If there
is anger, there is anger. Any kind of reaction, which is
naturally happening, at that moment wake up, just wake
up and tell yourself that is fine, it is OK.
Question: What is the
meaning of this wake up?
Kiranji: Wake up means to
remind yourself again. Don’t put yourself again to any
kind of technique, to suppress or to forget, but stay
into that state of acceptance. That reminder is a kind
of practice.
Question: Actually I don’t
have any my “whole understanding”. All the understanding
is yours. So, you say that the anger is coming and it
will be gone. It has a natural way. So, when I was in
anger, I though like this and then I just realize that
this is a kind of suppression.
Kiranji: No, it is not a kind
of suppression. You are not doing anything to be free
from it. You are just staying with it. To be with the
anger, and try to be free from the anger, is different.
When you wake up and tell yourself, “OK, fine”, if there
is an anger, which is just coming inside, then there is
a difference between the witnessing and the doing. You
are witnessing anger at that point. It is not
suppression. You are aware that there is anger. There is
no suppression. There is awareness; there is a total
consciousness that there is anger.
Question: But I always feel
that there is suppression. When I was in anger, I was
angry, I said, I thought “OK, fine”. Of course this had
some effect.
Kiranji: It looks like that
you are trying to suppress, but you are not doing any
effort to suppress it. Were you doing anything at that
moment? Or you were aware of the anger? You just said,
“OK, fine”. Isn’t’ it? Now, when this noise is coming,
the crackers, the traffic noise, or any noise is coming,
the moment it is creating a disturbance, it is a
reaction.
Disturbance is a reaction. The moment you wake up and
tell yourself that this is fine, it is fine. So, you are
not trying to close the window, you are not putting some
cotton in your ears, or trying to close your door and
just try to be free from these noises, you are just
aware that there is noise, and you are aware through
your understanding, that you have no way to control this
noise because it is just happening.
This understanding will take you to that point of
acceptance, where you will be witnessing that
disturbance that is happening. So, in that witnessing of
the disturbance, the disturbance will be there, but you
will be not disturbed. So, the anger will be there, but
you will not be disturbed by the anger. When you are
disturbed by the anger, anything that you do to be free
from it will be suppression or forgetting.
It is not suppression, but in the moment, in the first
moment you are strongly aware of the anger. But you are
just witnessing it. You are just there. It is very
difficult but it is not impossible. This is what I call
the practicing of acceptance. But this you have to
practice through the understanding. Your understanding
will tell you.
Question: So, this
understanding you mean. You always say that this
understanding, this acceptance just happen, how can I
practice it acceptance?
Kiranji: Practice means, you
might forget. Again you might go to your old habit of
suppressing or forgetting, or fighting with it, or
escaping from it. These are old habits of the mind. So,
you create a purpose, to be free from it. You don’t
create a purpose, but you just accept the way it is
happening. Now, with the acceptance through the
understanding, slowly, slowly it will settle by itself.
But, while it is settling, it will not be a disturbing
point to your state inside. So, this practice that,
maybe you forget in a day, maybe in eight events, but
you remind yourself to wake up in two events, you will
understand that it is a miracle.
That, even with all the disturbances, with all the
pains, anger and all these reactions, which is a cause
of disturbance, which is a cause of stress, which is a
cause of tension, you don’t create a tension, you don’t
create a stress. Before you were creating a stress,
because you were fighting with it. Now, if you are not
able to control these noises that are coming, you try to
close the windows, you try to close the doors, or at
least you put some earplug inside, even with this the
noises are coming, you will have a tension, you will
have a stress, which is the reaction. There is a
reaction that is natural, that is a disturbance, but
there is a reaction of the reaction, which comes out of
the rejection of that natural reaction.
The non-acceptance of the natural reaction out of your
misunderstanding or ignorance creates a chain of
reactions. So, them you will be sitting in meditation,
you are sitting in meditation, and then you just close
your eyes and all these traffic noises, crackers noises,
children noises, is creating a disturbance. Your wife is
cooking in the kitchen and she is making noise with the
utensils, and all these noises, the TV is on and all
these noises, and you want to meditate.
Now, your definition of meditation is to reach to that
state of silence. And you want to meditate, that means
you want to reach to that state of silence. Then, if you
want to be in silence, your mind understanding says
that, you have to be free from all the disturbances.
First you will try to close everything, you will try to
shout to your wife, “please stop all this cooking, keep
quiet, and stop this TV, this video, it is making
noise”.
So, all these outer things, which are making the
disturbances, you will try to control it. But then, when
you sit for meditation, what will you do with those
reactions, with those disturbances that have created
some waves inside, some ripples inside? What will you do
with that? Because you created the anger and you
created the reaction of the reaction. You have become
angry on the noises, you have become angry on your wife,
you have become angry on the TV, and you have become
angry on the other noises, which you tried to control.
You tried to control it, but what will happen to that
reaction, which is coming as anger, as a disturbance?
When you sit again, even without any noise, you will be
in stress and you will be in tension. Then you will say
that, “look, my mind is the problem. This is the
problem, so, I have to control my mind”. So, what is
happening is that, before you were angry at the outside
things, you try to control it, you could control it, but
now there is the inside things that are happening, and
now you are becoming angry on that anger, because you
want to control the anger. So, you are creating more
reactions, a chain of reactions, where you are
caught. So, in that day, you will not be able to sit in
meditation.
Even if you sit for half an hour or one hour, close your
eyes and try to become quiet, become silent, you will
get up with more disturbances. Lets just be honest. This
is everybody’s experience. Nobody is expressing it,
because everybody is keeping a face and telling that,
“Oh, I was meditating for one hour!” But what was
happening inside? Even during the daytime you have
accumulated a lot of reactions. And when you sit, it
comes out. Somebody have told you somewhere, and when
you sit quietly it starting bubbling up. So, all that is
accumulated is coming out, then, you are more disturbed.
Now, where did it start? You have tried to control the
outside things.
Now, suppose you again try to meditate, but now you
accept the noises. Now if you sit for meditation and
just accept the noises coming from the outside, the
noises coming from the kitchen, from the TV, and sit
there, slowly, slowly that disturbances, which before
was a disturbance that turned into anger and stress,
will slowly, slowly make you free from that. With all
the disturbances you will not be disturbed. So, then you
will be sitting quietly, without fighting, without
rejecting, without non-accepting, the way it is
happening.
Even during the daytime, suppose something reacted and
that comes back, you will be just sitting in silence,
looking at it, watching it and accepting it the way it
is happening. You will say, “OK, if I am disturbed, I am
disturbed”. And, in that, you will see that, within no
time, you will reach to that centre, which takes you to
the silent point and even with all the disturbances, you
will not be disturbed.
Question: You mean that
this acceptance can be a technique also?
Kiranji: It is not a
technique. It is an awakening to some understanding,
which takes you to some state of clarity.
Question: Anyway, it needs
some effort.
Kiranji: No, there is no
effort. It is just to wake up. Like, when you are
looking, you are not making any effort to look. When you
are listening you are not making any effort to listen,
it is all happening. So, this whole process will happen
by itself. What is required is some kind of
understanding, a focus of understanding where you see
very clearly that this is the way it is happening. So,
you are sitting silently doing nothing. And in that, the
spring comes, the state of silence comes, and the grass
of joy, the grass of bliss, grows by itself. But what
the mind is not happy is that, there is no experience of
that state. The problem is this. The problem with the
spiritual people is that, they want, even with this
blissful state, even with this joyful state, even with
this silently state, as an experience.
The problem is that there is no experience and the
experiencer separated, because it is your natural state.
The bliss that is happening inside is not separated from
you. The silence that is happening inside is not
something that you experience as something separated
from you. You are in silence. Afterwards when you come
out of that state you will say that, “I was in silence”.
But while you were in that state, there was no separated
self, which was experiencing that state of silence. You
were silent; you were blissful. You and bliss was one.
And that is what I was calling, the state of oneness.
And that state is meditation. That state is the real
meditation. It is not a technique. Outwardly it looks
like a technique, but it is not a technique.
Like I give this example to so many people that, when
you look at me, immediately, the knowledge about me
comes to you, that you are looking at Kiran. And you
know Kiran and you might have fight with him in the
past, you might have loved him in the past, whatever it
is there in your memory about that person, will be
coming.
So, you will have a good feeling about the person you
are looking at, or you will have a bad feeling about the
person you are looking at, and it is naturally coming as
a reaction.
Now, still you are not jumping to any kind of judgement
or conclusion, or choice that you want to talk to this
person or you don’t want to talk. You just look. When
you just look, automatically the first reaction comes,
of any kind of memory that you have about that person.
Maybe a good feeling, maybe a bad feeling, maybe hatred
ness, maybe love, whatever is naturally coming. But if
you are not jumping to any kind of judgment, then you
stay there. This is what I call the acceptance state.
Then what happens when you stay there, slowly, slowly
this whole reaction will settle.
Then you will be in tune with that person, and in that
tuning with that person, your looking will be a state of
meditation. So, this state of meditation is the result,
is the happening of some understanding, and that
understanding the looking maybe can look like a mental
exercise, but it is not. It is slowly, slowly waking up
to the clarity of the truth, the reality the way it is.
You are conscious of that person, you are conscious of
the reaction, which is happening inside. But you are not
jumping into any kind of judgement or action, but you
are staying with it. That is what we call the acceptance
state. And that state results into
a state of meditation.
That meditative state is an oneness state. One, where
you are gone, he is gone, and this is what my definition
of meditation is. This is meditation. If you slowly,
slowly understand the cause of what creates the
disturbance, what creates the stress, what creates the
pain, and go on understanding the cause, then, this
understanding will slowly, slowly make you free from
this. So, that is a natural freedom. So, in that
natural freedom, the only problem with the spiritual
people is that, they want to experience it. There is no
experience of the enlightenment.
There is no experience of that state, because you are
not separated from that state. There is no separated
experiencer, because any experience when it is defined
by the area of knowledge, it becomes the mind. So, that
is the state, but, afterwards you try to define, that
what exactly was the state, you will say that it was a
meditative state, or a blissful state, or a joyful
state, or a peaceful state, or a silent state. These are
all your definitions afterwards through the references
what you have. That means what references? You have
references of the disturbances. So, you will say that
there were no disturbances.
That means that there was silence. You have a reference
of unhappiness. You will say that there was no
unhappiness, that it was the state of happiness. You
will say that there was no pain, so that was a state of
joy. So, you have a reference point of something, which
you have experienced, as a sensation, as a result of
that. So, those references create the recognition of
that state, which is not actually the definition of the
state. The state of silence inside is not the absence of
the disturbances. We have a wrong definition.
When we say that we are in the state of silence,
immediately we define it as we are free from all the
disturbances. When we say that we are in the state of
happiness, or blissfulness, we are free from all the
unhappiness, from all tension, from all stress. This is
a wrong definition. The inner state of bliss, of
silence, includes all the disturbances. The inner state
of happiness includes al the unhappiness. With all the
unhappiness you are not unhappy. With all the
disturbances, you are not disturbed. That when you are
not disturbed with the disturbances, is the state of
silence. When you are not unhappy with the unhappiness,
that is the state of happiness.
When you are not in pain with all the pains, then it is
the state of joy. It is not what we define as the
freedom from all. This is a misunderstanding. You cannot
be free from the stress, from the tension, from the
suffering, because it is natural. But when you are
accepting the stress, in its own way of understanding
that the stress is naturally happening, the tension is
naturally happening, then the acceptance of that
naturally happening will make you free from the
identification, from the attachment that you have
created to be free from the stress.
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